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Raw Food Dog Diet

Posted On: Tuesday, October 12th, 2010

By Sophia Yin, DVM, MS

Q) I have a dog and 2 cats on a homemade raw diet made under recommendation of a holistic vet. I grind whole chickens with bone and skin, raw veggies and add vitamins and essential fatty acids. I have been doing this for about 3 years and my pets have well formed stools and shiny coats. My dog started all of this because of skin allergies which since have disappeared. What is your advice on raw diets?

A) While the majority of pet owners use commercial pet foods, others opt for diets that seem more natural. The idea behind diets of uncooked cuisine is that since dogs and cats evolved on raw foods, especially meat, these raw food diets must be the best. And that since cooking is known to destroy some vitamins such as thiamine and possibly some unknown compounds, that commercial diets aren’t as nutritionally sound.

Most traditional veterinarians discourage such homemade diets though. They warn against the dangers of parasites and bacteria growing rampant in raw foods and the evils of bones getting stuck in stomach or intestines. But if your pet’s on a back-to-the-basics diet and doing great who would argue with results?

It turns out that any board certified veterinary nutritionist would. According to Dr. Sean Delaney, current Chair of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition and previous  small animal clinical nutritionist at UC Davis, the risk of obstruction, parasitic infection, or bacterial infection is real.

“I recall seeing an adult Chihuahua on a raw food diet that included whole bone,” says Delaney, “He came in on emergency because he couldn’t eat and he was making choking sounds.” Radiographs of his neck showed a bone stuck in his esophagus.

Delaney also points out that there are many veterinary reports of animals on these diets coming in with bacterial blood infections. Additionally an outbreak of Salmonella in humans in Canada was traced back to dogs that had eaten treats infected with the bacteria even though these dogs had no clinical signs themselves. Similarly, using raw food diets puts children and immuno-compromised individuals at risk.

But perhaps to a nutritionist, the major concern with these raw diets is that they are not nutritionally balanced. According to a report in the The Journal of Veterinary Medical Association, when veterinary nutritionists at Tufts tested three homemade raw food diets —the BARF diet, the Ultimate diet and the Volhard diet, all showed serious imbalances.

Says Delaney, “Raw food diets most commonly deficient in calcium and phosphorus even if bone is included because calcium can be poorly absorbed from whole bone.”  In fact the Chihuahua with the obstruction had been on this diet for a year and had osteopenia, or thinning of the bones.

While this little guy had no fractures, fractures due to calcium or phosphorus imbalance are not rare. Recently Delaney examined a kitten (one of three kittens similarly affected) on a raw food diet that had come in for lameness.

“X-rays showed that it had a fractured femur (a bone in the thigh) and pelvis due to thinning of the bones,” says Delaney.  “We put them on a commercial kitten diet and within a couple of days the generalized lameness went away.” Within several weeks the lameness due to the fractures went away and by six weeks the fractures were healed and the bone was back to normal density.

Delaney admits that grinding the bone can solve the obstruction problem and greatly improve the calcium and phosphorus imbalances, but it doesn’t solve the other nutritional problems.

“Even with the most careful preparation these diets have deficiencies in nutrients,” he states. Wild cats and dogs eat their whole prey including the liver, intestines, skin and fur so they get all the nutrients they need.

Interestingly, because the meat-based raw diets are high in fat, pets have a lustrous coat. The diets still aren’t as high in fat as prey items such as mice which may be comprised of 50% fat. Thus pets may still not get enough of the essential fatty acids, but supplementation can take care of this and can also improve certain skin conditions. Additionally these diets may lack in taurine, an amino acid cats need that’s high in whole mice but not adequate in many meats.

Diets are often also lacking sources for all of the vitamins and frequently contain no source of trace metals such as zinc, iron and copper. Without these the pet will develop an anemia which you might notice as a vague decline in athletic performance but would only discover on blood work.

Even if nutritionists find all the required elements in these homemade diets they may not be balanced. This is complicated by the fact that excess levels of one compound such as zinc may cause depletion of another such as copper.

So what do nutritionists recommend? Commercial diets are their first choice. Choose one that’s AAFCO certified as balanced using feeding trials.

Delaney adds, “Owners perceive commercial foods as having things they aren’t comfortable with such as by-products. Interestingly, since dogs and cats in the wild eat their prey whole, by products are probably closer to what animals would eat in the wild rather than a diet composed primarily of flesh meat.”

People who want to prepare their pet’s meals or whose pets have medical conditions such as food allergies, that require special diets, should have their diets formulated by a board certified veterinary nutritionist and should always cook their meat.

For recommendations on nutritionists, contact the American College of Veterinary Nutrition or the American Academy of Veterinary Nutrition.

To have a custom homemade diet designed for your pet, visit the following websites:

Pet Nutrition Consulting

Pet Diet

Balance It

Modified from an article originally appearing in the San Francisco Chronicle in 2004.

Comments

Thank you so much for this article. You'll probably get tons of flak (and possibly hate mail!) from raw food diehards, but I appreciate knowing the possible drawbacks of giving our dogs raw. Right now we are on a half raw/half kibble diet, and it has been tough to find balanced information that isn't fanatical. Again, thanks for being a voice of reason in a discussion that often gets heated and overly emotional.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  10/13  at  12:00 AM
I am a veterinarian and I whole-heartedly agree with the veterinary nutritionists' point of view. I overheard a conversation the other night between a couple of dog owners and a trainer (CPDT). The trainer was in favor of raw diets and felt that they were far superior to any commercial diets. One point she made was that not only were they higher in water content but that dry kibble diets keep dogs in a constant state of dehydration and that there is no way any dog can drink enough water to compensate for the lack of water in the kibble. Of course dry kibble diets are lower in water, but I have yet to see a case of dehydration that was secondary to eating a dry commercial diet (provided water is available, of course). Do you have any thoughts on this whole "raw diets and water/hydration" topic?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  10/13  at  01:58 PM
"Wild cats and dogs eat their whole prey including the liver, intestines, skin and fur so they get all the nutrients they need."

Raw feeders that know what they're doing always feed a proper ratio of bone/offal/muscle content. Feeding raw is not so simple as to thrown down a pound of ground beef and a chicken neck. It's unfortunate that veterinarians continue to force foods that are AAFCO certified (like Iams and Science Diet) down our throats while scaring people with the minimal risk of feeding raw if you do it properly.

Is it time consuming, yes. Is it wrong to feed kibble? Most definitely not! There are some excellent kibbles out there. But what did nature intend for your dog? I can assure you it's not heavily processed corn and wheat gluten.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  10/17  at  11:08 PM
I have only recently switched to feeding my dogs raw in the past year. The change was made because my Miniature Schnauzer has serious protein allergies as well as bladder infection issues and required something homemade anyway. My vet felt that her high protein kibble was what caused the bladder stones. I have to admit she has never been healthier. This is the first I've been able to feed her more than 1/4 cup of food a day without her gaining excess weight and her energy level is great!

Until commercial diets become better in quality I couldn't imagine feeding them. Currently I don't believe pet owners have good choices available to them. In the meantime I will continue to feed raw. My protein comes from organic, grass fed livestock and is local. Anyone who feeds raw needs to be vigilant about their protein sources just as they should be for their own meat.

I also believe every dog is different. I have seen dogs thrive on certain diets while others can't eat them. Pet owners should try a variety of foods and choose what's best for their pets. If you are feeding raw regular trips to the vet to check blood work and general health are imperative because it's easier for owners to make mistakes.
Posted by Jade Robertson  on  10/21  at  09:20 AM
It's great to have some factual data about the dangers of raw food diets. Since I don't believe most pet owners know much about canine nutrition let alone human nutrition, I do not support feeding raw food to dogs and will NOT guarantee the health of any puppy I sell to anyone who feeds a raw diet.
Posted by Sylvia  on  10/27  at  02:58 AM
I've been feeding my dogs raw for 3+ years. The three diets that were studied for nutritional soundness - the BARF diet, the Ultimate diet and the Volhard diet - are indeed incomplete. I feed what is considered a whole prey, as well as a "frankenprey" diet. When I can afford whole prey, my dogs get whole, furred, completely intact animals. They get 100% of what they should get, no supplements needed! I can't always afford whole prey, and a frankenprey diet consists of 80% meat, 10% edible bone, 5% liver, and 5% other organs. None of the other diets have this breakdown, and they include needless ingredients, including fruits, vegetables, dairy, and a slew of supplements. My dogs get blood tests and check ups regularly and are very healthy dogs. I'm quite sad that you would go to such lengths to dismiss what's essentially the "perfect" diet.
Posted by Ettel E  on  10/28  at  07:59 PM
I appreciate the discussion about the risks of raw feeding yet I don't think this article fully and scientifically evaluates all the facts. Every form of feeding comes with risks. Dogs eating commercially prepared foods die from bloat and have severe dental problems which can lead to infection and death.
This article is evocative and tries to sway the reader with strong rhetoric veiled as facts. For example, the outbreak of salmonella in contaminated Canadian treats vaguely sited has no mention of whether or not it came from a raw food source.
I'm actually surprised, well saddened really, that someone with such a sophisticated way of thinking about animal behavior would post this article.
There are some major logical fallacies presented in this article as reasons for not feeding raw. Besides the elephant in the room of how prior to the creation of commercialized pet food in the 1950s dogs thrived for thousands of years, the actual scientific studies of raw feeding animals cautions even just cooking fresh foods. Pottenger’s ten year cat colony studies come readily to mind.
More importantly, pets die from contaminated commercially "cooked" prepared pet food because of deplorable standards and practices approved and governed by AAFCO. There feeding trials are not scientifically sound. AAFCO approves companies such as Gravy Train, Little Cesars, Alpo, and Ol’ Roy. The average person can deduce that fresh prepared foods would be a healthier option for any living being. What human doctor would recommend that for the rest of your life you can only eat things out of packaging able to sit at room temperature on the shelf in the grocery store.
I sincerely hope you re-evaluate the content of this article.
Posted by Nixie  on  11/13  at  09:24 PM
Dear Nixie,

I'm sorry that I have not come to the same conclusion/the popular conclusion that you have come to. The fact is that I attend several veterinary conferences per year and generally at each conference a veterinary nutritionist talks about raw food diets. To date, no board certified veterinary nutritionists recommend raw food diets and each time I interview nutritionists they present me with case studies illustrating the reasons why.

Additionally, while an unusually high amount of commercial foods have undergone voluntary recalls due to high counts of salmonella ( in which outbreaks did not necessarily occur), most raw food has salmonella and other bacteria that can be transmitted to immunocompromised humans. If in individual wants to take that risk, then that is fine for the individual. As a veterinarian, it would be irresponsible for me to pretend that the risk is the same for raw and commercial foods.

To read a Public Health veterinarian's answers to common questions about raw food, go to Dr. Scott Meese's Wormsandgermsblog.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  11/15  at  07:12 PM
The popular conclusion is yours actually for very few people know and believe in home-prepared and raw, though more and more people are becoming frustrated with commercial pet foods and seeing first hand the difference home prepared and raw diets offer. They typically have to exhaust every other option first and go against the grain (pun intended) to try it. I find it interesting that the logical conclusions I mentioned of fresh ingredients versus processed room temperature stable kibbles was not addressed in your reply. Nor where many other rational unbiased conclusions addressed. And seriously, how can an animal eating bone have a calcium and phosphorus deficiency? And those “voluntary recalls” of pet foods contaminated with pathogens neglects to consider the ones involving most likely thousands of animals with kidney failure and fatal exposure to melamine and cyanuric acid. We can’t know for sure the exact number though because of the lack of regulation and independent testing for the pet food industry.
I know first hand how imbedded large corporations are within veterinary "science" and that independent funding is virtually nonexistent. Board certified veterinary nutritionists are certified by whom with funding from whom? What long term unbiased scientific studies have been done that they have as evidence? What case studies do you speak of? And what studies examine the transmission of pathogens from raw fed dogs or cats to humans?
Do you have any knowledge or comprehension of the Pottenger's cat study? The study was conducted before commercialized pet foods and over the course of ten years with more than 900 subjects and three generations. He started studying the effects of raw versus cooked meat because of the noticeable healthy benefits to his research animals he was using for an entirely different purpose. The study concluded that the animals actually physically deteriorated because of cooked food.
And I’m really curious; do the wolves you've interacted with eat Science Diet at the sanctuary?
Posted by Nixie  on  11/15  at  09:23 PM
Thank you so much for posting this article, I have been to your veterinary behavior seminars and loved them, but couldn't agree more with your view on raw food diets. It is so sad to see so many dogs and cats put on this dangerous diet by owners who refuse to listen to the health professionals, and would rather endanger their pets on this diet. I have seen too many dogs die from eating raw bones, and even more dogs/cats sickened from raw diets. Your article was well written, and will definitely be passed along to the rest of the staff at my vet clinic.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/02  at  08:10 PM
I was surprised to note that there were no comments posted by people like me who 'saute' the meat protein. Technically, it's not raw diet, but a homemade diet. To the cooled, sauted meat I add powdered bone meal, lightly steamed vegetables and some raw fruit, and cooked oatmeal(to make up ~30% of the bulk.) We cook up enough for five or six weeks at a time and freeze the extra. The dogs need a lot less of this food than kibble so there's a lot less stool and it hardly smells at all. They have great breath and no flatulence. I feed twice a day; I add a squirt of salmon oil and (once a day) a multi (dog) vitamin that has all the necessary trace elements. My dogs look healthy (skin, coat, nails, teeth etc.) act healthy (in Rally, Agility, and walk at least 1 hr daily.)From time to time I've had blood-work done to evaluate their nutritional health and it's always comes back as perfect. True, this way of feeding is a bit more work and a bit more expensive, but I almost never have to take them to the vet and when I see my 8 yr old Aussie leap into the air like a two year old to catch a frisbee with his leg muscles bulging, his coat gleaming and his eyes shining... it's worth it!!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/21  at  01:00 PM
when a man want to control their diet then they should avoid some fat food. it is very good to your dieting. thanks
Posted by wright palmar  on  01/26  at  06:14 AM
Great article. Now that we are in the 21st century, some people want to go back to the cavemen days and forget about food safety etc. Ridiculous.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  05/20  at  01:35 PM
Interesting how most of us manage to feed ourselves and our children without resorting to prepackaged foods prepared by nutritionists. In fact, unless you're living on the space station, we're all encouraged to eat a variety of home prepared foods. Why should our pets be different?

This is all coming from the vested commercial interests who like to push the twin agendas of fear and convenience.

As a International Board Certified Lactation Consultant I see the same sorts of issues formula marketing undermining breastfeeding. Where there's a corporate interest, there will always be messages of 'but that MIGHT not be safe!' and 'THIS is scientific!', all touted by stern looking people in white coats.

FTR, I have 2 pets on raw, 1 on kibble, and 1 on canned. I'm not an 'evangelical' raw feeder; it's not for everyone, and commercially prepared foods can be suitable for many animals.

I am glad I have vets who are supportive of raw feeding & just roll their eyes at the official position statement of their professional organizations.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/16  at  11:24 AM
I certainly don't recommend it to everyone, but the health of my animals have all improved after going to a raw diet, which I carefully researched first. However, I'm concerned by this quote: "by products are probably closer to what animals would eat in the wild rather than a diet composed primarily of flesh meat." - a properly researched raw diet does NOT consist "primarily of flesh meat" - in fact, most raw feeders I know would most definitely say that if you were going to just feed flesh meat without proper research and balance, you should go back to store bought foods.

Arguing the health of kibble or canned over improperly fed raw is hardly a fair argument, is it?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/16  at  11:35 AM
My holistic vet drew up both dog's raw food diets. The company that sources the food, grinds it (bones and all) mixes it to our spec - currently 70% meat/bone, 30% vegetables. Of the 30% vegetable, 50% is below ground and 50% is above ground vegetables. Of the 50% above ground, 15% are green leafy vegetables. We add a measured amount of cod liver oil, a dash of salmon oil, a scoop here and there of goat milk yogurt, calcium powder if venison/beef/bison as the bones don't get ground, we switch out the proteins b/w packages of the food, add a multi and some glucosamine/MSM. Not sure it's lacking. Since my vet(s) are nutritionists AND they drew the diet up, I don't think the statement 'any veterinary nutritionist' holds up. Perhaps, that's where the 'almost' comes in. There are a some raw food fanatics who really do think there is little involved - we take our dogs health and feeding quite seriously as do my friends who feed raw (or kibble for that matter) and we pay dearly for this food. I think it makes my dogs look extraordinary, and am very careful, reviewing constantly. It's not like none of us pay attention or seek the attention of our vets to take care of a feeding program.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/16  at  12:49 PM
I feed my dogs yogurt everyday as a treat and I was told recently that ALL dogs are lactose intolerant? I feed a high quality kibble and make my own wet food as an additive. One of my dogs has digestive issues and has been much better with the yogurt.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/16  at  01:29 PM
thank you for that, great article! i hear people all time claiming that their pet is on a raw diet because its "natural" and is what wild dogs/cats eat. what people fail to realize is that domestic dogs and cats are NOT wild, and have evolved for thousands of years away from their wild ancestors! what is best for a wolf to eat is probably NOT what is best for my pet yorkie to eat, plain and simple. plus, most "raw diets" are NOTHING like what an animal in the wild would eat.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/16  at  02:48 PM
I have fed my miniature poodle raw since a month after I rescued him 4 years ago. My vet has no problem with that since he has no problems. I don't have to brush his teeth, the raw diet takes care of that. I don't have to clean up huge mounds of poop. Raw feed dogs don't eliminate the large amounts of filler put into regular kibble. And his poop actually disintegrates within a couple of days because it is what's left after he digests his chicken or beef or lamb or deer. He runs with my husband's mountain bike riders, sometimes 10-15 miles three or four times a week. He doesn't smell like a 'dog' even when wet. I handle raw meat constantly and have never had a problem with 'bacteria' and as for him, dogs stomach acid is very strong. You may think about this when your dog eats some other dogs poop or four day old McDonald's that he found in the garbage. My dog doesn't do that. He doesn't need to.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/16  at  03:08 PM
I am yet to see the effects of any diet studied over the lifetime of a dog. I switched to raw when my 9-year-old corgi was having recurring episodes of severe stomach upset. My vet suggested I try cooking for her. The change in her was so fast and pronounced that even my housemates noticed. She had a lot more energy, she played more, her arthritis symptoms faded away, and the stomach upsets were a thing of the past. The changes were so pronounced that I have not been able to convince myself to go back to kibble. I raised my two current dogs (2 and 3 years old) on raw and they are so far doing fine. I am often tweaking the diet and I try to give them a large variety. I kind of base it on the assumption that dogs evolved eating mostly garbage supplemented with small whole animals. Certainly my Lapphund is far more interested in eating garbage than anything else! We joke we should just let him loose in the local tip once a day. He particularly likes carcasses that are several weeks old. My dogs have eaten some hideous things, yet still, the only thing that has ever made them sick is commercial dog food. Where does that leave me? I agree that there aren't many options. But I find it difficult to believe it is so hard to balance a dog's diet. It's not so hard to balance our own diet. I feed the dogs a variety like I feed us, and I add Brewers yeast, kelp powder and cold pressed oils for B vitamins, trace elements and fatty acids.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/16  at  03:23 PM
I did my masters research on enteric bacteria, particularly Salmonella. With what I know about enterics, the raw diet scares me. I sleep with my dogs, I kiss my dogs, I don't want them to be carriers of Salmonella. And asymptomatic carriers are quite common. Remember Typhoid Mary?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/17  at  06:32 AM
I also sleep with my dog, kiss my dog etc. As does my husband. I am much more comfortable feeding my dog a raw diet than I am of eating out or buying bagged lettuce or sprouts. I don't buy bulk meat from large processing plants (those tubes of ground beef are notorious) nor do I buy 'enhanced' meat. I check local markets for 'specials' (this week it was no-additive, cage free chicken thighs for 99¢ a pound) and purchase organ meats from a farm meat market. My dog plays with my 93 year old mother and my 4 year old nephew and every one in between. No one has had a problem. Does anyone remember what dogs were fed prior to fancy kibble and 'gourmet' treats? Meat. Scraps. Bones from the butcher. Brown rice and broccoli were the farthest things from a pet owners mind.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/17  at  07:40 AM
Bin feedin' raw prey diets to my cat and dogs for over 16 years. Now own a raw food store in Vancouver BC Canada. My JRT and Toller's health is great (bloodwork etc) and the benefits include: fresh breath, clean teeth, no fleas, no itchies, no dandruff....the list goes on...but the best part is LESS POOP! Yes! Check out Dr. Tom Lonsdale and the like, for lots of good information. The multinational pet food companies do not have our pet's best interest in mind, from the research I've done. www.truecarnivores.com
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/17  at  11:54 AM
The more articles I read (written by veterinary professionals) about the scary harmful possible outcomes of a raw diet, the more I think that it's a liability issue for them than a professional opinion.

To say "yes, I do see merit in a properly prepared, balanced raw diet" is to open oneself to law suits from everything that could (but doesn't always) go wrong. I'm guessing there must be some vets out there that feed raw. Where are they?

Are there any studies out there that support the anecdotal claims raw feeders have? That their dog made a complete 360 when it started raw? I'm guessing not, since a large dog food company would have to fund it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/17  at  09:17 PM
Wow, Dr. Yin, you need some Yan!!

Raw is certainly NOT all bad, and what dog owner who is well-informed these days about nutrition, vaccines, etc. would think that a "board-certified veterinary specialist" should be trusted? There are nutritionists that are NOT veterinarians and NOT propagandized/board certified, and they are not as one-sided and blinkered as you are. Let's face it, most veterinarians have been virtually bought out by the big companies selling crummy food and poisons (year-round hearworm, anti-flea toxins, etc.) with which to kill - er, "protect" - our pets. They have become legalized drug pushers. This keeps the "cha-ching" going at veterinarian clinics, and only the holistic vets do not push this stuff at the expense of our precious companions.

I urge anyone to google "The Truth about" vaccines, heartworm, etc., and look up the book and websites for "Scared Poopless" to keep informed about what the veterinary profession and big pet companies do NOT want you to know about the best care for your pets.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/18  at  07:52 AM
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